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Kain424 · **Joined:** Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:16 am **Posts:** 4269

I scratched the sticker off the dvd cover, and you're right!

Rutledal · **Posted:** Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:17 pm

I know it's almost a month since the '89 version of The Punisher was the subject of this thread, but I found this and thought it was funny.

The place where I found it wrote:

Presented here for the first time is a transcript of the first pre-production meeting between director Mark Goldblatt and producers Robert Mark Kamen, Mace Neufeld and Simon Heath.

"Punisher" Production Meeting: 01/04/89

Goldblatt: Thanks for meeting me, gentlemen. I'd like to share with you some of my ideas for this film. May I add that I'm very excited and honored to be working on this project.

Neufeld: Great. Great. We have some ideas we'd like to share as well.

Goldblatt: Excellent. I always enjoy this stage of the collaborative process. Gimme what you got.

Kamen: We want to make the main character a cop.

Goldblatt: You mean Frank Castle?

Neufeld: Yeah, sure. Whatever. Make him a cop. Audiences like cops. Lethal Weapon did huge numbers.

Kamen: Don't forget Die Hard.

Goldblatt: Fine. I can swing with that. Marine to cop, not that big a divergence, I suppose.

Heath: And we wanna get rid of that stupid skull.

Goldblatt: Uh...that's kind of essential.

Neufeld: Ok, so we're all in agreement on the removal of the skull symbol.

Heath/Kamen: Indeed.

Goldblatt: Ummm...

Neufeld: Moving on then. Mr. Kamen has a few notes he'd like to add. Mr. Kamen?

Kamen: I propose that we film the movie in Australia - which might I add bears remarkably little resemblance to New York City - change the names of The Punisher's wife and children, have him team up with his family's killers to fight the Yakuza---

Goldblatt: Wait, team up with who???

Kamen: ---give him a drunken, homeless sidekick---

Goldblatt: Please stop.

Kamen: ---and finally, have him live in the sewer like a filthy mole person.

Heath: Where he often meditates nude.

***silence punctuated by heavy teeth grinding***

Neufeld: Tell him who we're thinking of getting.

Goldblatt: I'd rather you didn't.

Kamen: Did you see Rocky IV?

Goldblatt: Please don't go there.

Kamen: The Russian from Rocky IV.

Goldblatt: I think I'm gonna be sick.

Neufeld: Also, we're cutting your budget down to about nine million dollars.

Kamen: And you have to find a way to fit Lou Gossett Jr. in it.

***what is possibly a vase or an ashtray is heard smashing against the wall***

Goldblatt: SON OF A FUCKING WHORE!

Kain424 · **Joined:** Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:16 am **Posts:** 4269

I take it they didn't like the '89 version.

Rutledal · **Posted:** Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:08 am

Yeah, that's kinda the feeling I got to. But while they are seeing at it a little cross eyed it's pretty accurate about how unfaithful it is.

Kain424 · **Joined:** Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:16 am **Posts:** 4269

Story-wise. But I find a lot of Dolph's actions to be very true to the Punisher. Sure, we got to see a bit more of what he's like when alone, but I liked that stuff. Castle just trained and sat alone with his thoughts. Dolph showed no training, but we got to be alone with his thoughts.

Rutledal · **Posted:** Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:41 am

Yeah, I can relate to that. I like the '89 version, it's a pretty good action flick, and I like that they distanced a lot from the comics instead of just a little, it makes it much easier to take in that way, unlike Hulk or Superman III. My only real complaint about it is how they didn't have him wear any body-armor, that's just retarded no matter what.

Rutledal · **Posted:** Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:19 am

The Wrecking Crew wrote:

a too-old-for-the-part Dean Martin

The fact that Roger Moore was 6 years older in his last Bond movie than Martin was in this one just makes it clearer that Moore should have quit earlier.

Kain424 · **Joined:** Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:16 am **Posts:** 4269

Agreed. WAY agree. Of course, I never really cared for Moore as Bond in the first place.

Rutledal · **Posted:** Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:16 pm

Me neither, I liked him in some of his early ones. He had a great sense of humor, but he was never really bad-ass and he made some of the shittiest Bond movies of all time.

rorschach94 · **Joined:** Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:18 am **Posts:** 2350

I agree. I always thought Roger Moores Bond movies were some of the weakest in the series

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