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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:46 pm 
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I'll agree that Robocop 3 had a better story, hilarious bad ninjas (as aforementioned) and okay action while the first sequel had better action ruined by a bad story & anti-climatic ending but all in all, they were both horrid, gratuitous sequels. Death Wish V is inferior because Bronson didn't display any interest in the proceedings, the action was Z-grade at best, the storyline didn't fit in with the previous film's criminal empires AT ALL, the supporting cast (Miguel Sandoval and Lesley-Anne Down out of all things) all gave easily their worst performances to date, Hersey is no better than the evil bastards this go-around (he enjoys blowing up these assholes) and the whole film drags, making the viewer beg that Bronson blow their brains out so they won't have to continue watching the cinematic torment going on.


5 BIG FRANCHISE FUCK-UPS (In Honor of Good Franchises Ruined not for EX2 which isn't out yet & can't be judged; Please note that this is a non-biased review):

1.) Highlander II: The Quickening- Yes, it's the most watchable out of all the shitty sequels, Virginia Madsen is gorgeous, the sfx are alright and Michael Ironside steals the show but when it's all said and done, the whole film drags and is the reason this franchise went to shit-ville in the first place so it's still bad when all is said and done.

2.) Star Trek: Nemesis- Again, there are people who enjoy this one (myself included) but there's no denying the rushed story and bland filler moments in-between. It came out the same exact year as it's rival Star Wars: AOTC and the only reason the latter did well and the former flopped was because because, like-it-or-hate-it, AOTC was an overall well-made film (with an coincidentally also weak script) and the formers' fanbase had mostly given up on the new film installments proceeding the last mixed result and much preferred to watch reruns of the various spin-offs at that point.

3.) Spider-Man 3- Third time's the charm as once again, there are people who will defend this movie no problem but it's poor transitions, miscastings for the villains and having three conflicts all in the same movie were too much to handle and the blame must go to none other than Raimi.

4.) Boondock Saints II: All-Saints Day- Like Crank, this well-received albeit overrated cult film had everything: douchebag humor, insane gunfights, dark humor, vulgarity galore and even Willem Dafoe in one of his finest moments to date. I had a feeling that the director had shat on his own franchise the moment I saw that this was being distributed by Sony's DTV household Stage 6 Films (who also brought us The Art of War II and #5 below).

5.) Starship Trooper 3: Marauder- Yeah, the forgettable sequel was lame but this one somehow managed to outdo the smelly aroma left by the first sequel, despite the return of Johnny Rico. The filmmakers made extra effort to not try to make an entertaining sequel and boy, oh boy, did they succeed.

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Nice to hear another podcast, great work as always.

Top Five Franchise Fuck-Ups

5.Every Highlander Sequel
There should have been only one.

4. Escape from L.A.
I know some people love this one, but I don´t see the appeal. There are some good moments, but mostly it´s just the first movie, but not as good and with some of the worst effects I have ever seen. It´s frustrating because a well-executed sequel to EFNY could have been badass cinema magic.

3.Candyman 2
The first Candyman is one of my favorite horror movies ever and has an ending that sets up an interesting and unusual approach for a sequel, but the makers decide to ignore all that and turn Candyman into a standard, boring Slasher instead of the tragic and poetic yet terrifying character he was in the original.

2.Robocop 3
This is one of the few movies that actually made me mad. Every aspect of this movie shows that the makers don´t understand what made the original Robocop such a masterpiece.

1. Alien vs Predator
I picked this one because it is a perfect example for unused potential. A properly done AVP movie would have been incredible, but instead we got this piece of shit.

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Top 5 Franchise F*** Ups
5. Batman & Robin
4. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Next Generation
3. Die Another Day
2. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
1. Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace

Movie Knight Recommendation: Top Dog starring AOBG's favourite hero

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Top Dog... now that just sounds like a horrible, horrible dare. But I would totally watch that again. And Total Recall. That would be a pleasure.

ArnoldVoslooT800 wrote:
2.) Star Trek: Nemesis- Again, there are people who enjoy this one (myself included)


I also enjoyed this one. Haven't seen it since the theaters, but I thought it was pretty good at the time.

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4. Escape from L.A.
I know some people love this one, but I don´t see the appeal.

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4. Escape from LA: I know you love it, but I don't care for this one.


I think it's a great play on the original, while making Snake the biggest bad-ass in all of cinema. As a standalone film, it feel startlingly cheap, but it makes for a solid double-feature with the first one.

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Kain424 wrote:
Top Dog... now that just sounds like a horrible, horrible dare. But I would totally watch that again. And Total Recall. That would be a pleasure.

ArnoldVoslooT800 wrote:
2.) Star Trek: Nemesis- Again, there are people who enjoy this one (myself included)

I also enjoyed this one. Haven't seen it since the theaters, but I thought it was pretty good at the time.
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4. Escape from L.A.
I know some people love this one, but I don´t see the appeal.

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4. Escape from LA: I know you love it, but I don't care for this one.

I think it's a great play on the original, while making Snake the biggest bad-ass in all of cinema. As a standalone film, it feel startlingly cheap, but it makes for a solid double-feature with the first one.

Yes, Nemesis was a fun rollercoaster ride but nowadays, it can come off as a weak entry or at least according to most Trekkies (granted, most of them hated The Final Frontier, which is one of my favorites).

I don't get the hate for Escape from L.A. either though. Sure, it's not perfect and the CGI was pretty bad even at the time but there's lots of fun dialogue, great Grunge Rock OST and shootouts before the unusual ending.


I'll admit that as lame as Top Dog is, I somehow found it more enjoyable than the similar K-9 trilogy and Turner and Hooch. Yeah, I know . . . but still it would be great to hear you guys roast the movie especially for the scene where he beats up the Joker-like henchmen and the horrible catchphrase at the end of the film.

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Top 5 Franchise F*** Ups
5. Batman & Robin
4. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Next Generation
3. Die Another Day
2. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
1. Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace

This and Hestinator's list cracked me up. Sure, there are lame installments but we're looking for the worst of the worst not just random bullshit. I'll agree with number 3 though as that was the equivalent of a lap dance with zero sizzle and zero effort went into it (save for the brief car chase on the ice which even then was still not that great).

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5. Good call on Turtles in Time. You can actually see the eye-holes in their costumes. Fuckin’ creepy.

4. Another good call on RoboCop 3, though RoboCop sporting a jetpack was actually kinda cool; little hacker girl turning ED-209 into a giant kid-friendly pet? Not so much.

3 Alien vs. Predator
Not as a killer of the Alien franchise, but as a killer of the Predator franchise. I guess the recent Predators salvaged it a little bit.

2. Highlander II: The Quickening
Less said the better. However, I do have a soft spot for the TV series.

1. The Lost World: Jurassic Park
Fuck this movie. Its predecessor is one of my personal favorites but then Spielberg craps out this sequel where the protagonists are all obnoxious and nonsensical and where a fearsome, bloodthirsty Velociraptor is defeated by ...gymnastics? By the end of the movie we’ve got a T-Rex drinking from a backyard swimming pool then later chasing a group of Japanese guys as a reference to Godzilla. In other words, Spielberg turned the whole thing into a big joke. The only cool aspect of the movie was Pete Postlewaite as the badass dino game-hunter. Seriously, they should have just made it about him.

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Oooh, Lost World, damn. That should have been my #5, it took me 3 viewings just to sit through it. What a piece of shit.

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Oh, I disagree so much with your opinions on Death Wish V


Gotta agree with that one, few films have grown on me as much as Death Wish V, from a 3 to a 7. I really appreciate how it brings the series full circle by blending the more low key tone of the first and the insanity of part 3 and 4. It is a nuanced piece that requires the viewer too...uh, whatever I enjoy it.

Also, I disagree violently with everyone who said Highlander 2. I love that movie, LOVE IT!

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The Lost World is watchable but it's entertainment is minimal and slowly starts to shrink due to little soul or character development throughout the entire duration and about the only scene anyone likes is the end car chase in L.A. That's it, fucking it! The rest is just uneven filler and even if they had brought back Sam Neill's character in that one, it still would've been lame.

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ArnoldVoslooT800 wrote:
even if they had brought back Sam Neill's character in that one, it still would've been lame.


Got to disagree on that, one of the big problems for me with the film is how the lack of a serious leading man like Neill was in the first forces Goldblum to be the serious character instead of the "goofball" role he so perfectly did in the first one. That lacking dynamic between characters is the fundamental flaw of the film to me and the return of Neill would have restored that.

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Just like in part 3!

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