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Once a television pilot fails to get picked up, for 45 min+ series at least, it becomes a television movie or possibly a DTV movie. With older pilots it works better, like some of Tom Selleck's pre-Magnum pilots turned movies, sometimes not so much like the LA Confidential failed-pilot-turned-movie which ends on a cliffhanger.

Guess it counts then.

Plus, a television pilot is essentially a movie since nowadays they're often two hours in length & like Rutledal pointed out, they're later reedited into movies/DTV flicks when they fail to find many viewers' homes.

Yeah, failed TV pilots count, but only if they're feature length.

The ones I count are always either 90- 120 minutes so they count.

The L.A. Confidential one is only 45-50, so that may sadly cost Kiefer Sutherland a point.

Some movies are sometimes 60 minutes esp. if they're made for television (although they're often an extra hour due to commercial length).

Unless it's a short and not labeled as a movie (i.e. mini-series, special, show), I say we count these pilots.

Feature length = 75 - 80 minutes or more. Anything less is a TV episode or special.

I've seen some movies be 60 minutes (mainly back in the 60s or even 70s) and some copies of the film will vary but yes I can go by that rule.

I say if it overall adds up to almost an hour or two hours and is marketed as a movie, that we count it.

I say only if it's over seventy minutes. Anyone else have an opinion?